Get over it why do you care so much about who sleeps with who, Who loves who, or who marries who. Is this a personal threat to you or are you just afraid of being let out of the closet if it becomes more of a norm. I really am getting sick of you people who want to worry about everything everyone else does but yourself. Live your life and leave mine alone.

Are you implying that statutory rape laws for consenting minors or minor/adult persons should all be repealed just like the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in '03 that Texas' sodomy laws were unconstitutional based on a very liberal and loose interpretation of Amendment 14? R U?

LAWS are there on the books to protect the INNOCENT...LAWS are there on the books to protect SOCIETY from very COSTLY prurient practices such as prostitution (again between 2 consenting adults usually in private), promiscuity that can lead to incurable diseases such as AIDS.

R U intimating Rob that all such laws related to PRIVACY between 2 or more consenting persons, including pedophilia if NAMBLA gets their way, prostitution, and statutory rape to name just a few ought to be rescinded or repealed altogether, too? R U?

This is about REDEFINING God's institution of MARRIAGE by immoral and idolatrous people who thumb their nose @ God and the bible as if He and His word were outdated or obsolete.

I do fear for the good and safety of unsuspecting children who are now being brainwashed as captive audiences as young as kindergarten at taxpayers' expense to buy into the lies and twisted truths of the homosexual agenda.

Children, Jesus said, are not to be taken advantage of or abused. They are to be LOVED/ACCEPTED. "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea." MATTHEW 18:6

Further, Jesus only condoned two sexual states; namely: Monogamous marital fidelity between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN or celibate singleness.

Consequently, when "marriage" is REDEFINED or distorted and the traditionally accepted and revered parameters or safeguards removed, definite dysfunction and destruction in families ensues as a direct consequence for man messing or meddling with God's perfect design.

Actually, Rob, those who favor same-sex marriage like yourself are the fearful ones. That's why HATE CRIMES were set up, including CA's in 2005! To silence or shut up (i.e. imprison or fine)preaching the TRUTH about homosexuality as an ABOMINATION to God. "Abominable, is the very term Lev. 18:22 and 20:13 uses to criticize homosexual intercourse."
"Men commited shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their sin." ROMANS 1:27b

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/128/st...

Wow! Imagine that! The NEW testament actually calls homosexuality a SIN! The TRUTH is what YOU, Rob, are AFRAID of or AFRAID to deal with.

Again, vote YES on Proposition 8 to restore sanity to CA's FAMILY LAW CODE and return God's institution of MARRIAGE to it's proper place in society as the foundation of God's other institution contingent upon MARRIAGE, the FAMILY, giving both their JUST due, RESPECT for what is GOOD and GODLY!

There are all sorts of inherent flaws in what you have posted here. And it blows my mind that The Signal would link to this sort of drivel on their front page.

First of all, the sole purpose of marriage is NOT procreation. If that were true, you need to also immediately begin to portest the rights of the childless by choice to marry. The post-menopausal. The infertile (whether it's the man or the woman). Those who choose to adopt. Procreation isn't why people get married. You get married (hopefully) because you LOVE that person. Unconditionally and irrevokably.

Second, if marriage is "God's institution" then when/if you marry you shouldn't register it with the state. According to you, the state has nothing to do with it. Which means neither you nor your spouse is thereby entitled to any of the benefits of being LEGALLY married. After all, God will provide these things for you anyway. I have been married for 5 years and in no way, shape or form, does granting other people also in love the right to marry infringe upon my marriage. It doesn't affect me and my relationship in any way, nor does it prevent me from living my life happily and fully. It does not undermine the status of my marriage in anyway. I am sorry you are so insecure in your relationships that you feel it does.

Your religion has no place in state law. Period. End of story. Your religion is NOT the official religion of this country or state (and the fact that it may be the religion practiced by the majority is not the same thing) and therefore you cannot force it upon other people. I am not of the same religion as you. I see no problem legally with granting legal married status to gay couples. If you take your religion of the equation, in fact, you have no legal ground to stand on. You say that we are going to incur the "wrath of God" by allowing this to happen... Really? Vermont has been getting along just fine. Canada isn't anywhere NEAR the mess we are. Same goes for England and Denmark has been doing it since 1989 and the earth has yet to open up and swallow them into the depths of hell. Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Finland, Spain; you can hardly argue that any of these places are suffering the wrath of God. if anything, WE are, probably because of our intolerance and hatefulness.

You can argue all you want that the supreme court infringed on your rights as a voter, but in 1948 the supreme court told Californias (who by the vast majority disagreed) that interracial couples had the right to marry, too. Are you saying you would rather they didn't? That the supreme court overstepped its bounds by telling California it had to grant rights to minorities then, too?

Quite simply, YOU are the one who is afraid. You're afraid of what you don't understand and too filled with rage to bother seeing that what is important here is love and letting people recognize that love in the same legal ways that you are allowed to.

Unfortunately for you S.B. yours is the seriously and repeatedly FLAWED argument and the Signal gets KUDOS for being FAIR in their allowing opposing viewpoints to be blogged.
Dr. David Blankenhorn, whom I quoted, actually said procreating was the PRIMARY, NOT SOLE, purpose of marriage anyway! FLAW #1
The myth of "separation of church and state" or the guise of religious neutrality is yet another attempt by atheists and like-minded RELIGIOUS people to effectively supplant the traditional American Judeo-Christian ethic for morality and civility with their own such as secular humanism, atheism, agnosticism, or whatever "ism" is their predilection.
Truth is almost every state constitution's preamble honors Yahweh, the one true God of the bible. CA's says, "California 1879, Preamble: We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom…" Go here to see the rest, http://conservativechristianvoice.blo... FLAW #2
Another serious FLAW in your post is your FALSE notion that same-sex marriages/unions are really no different than heterosexual marriages and deserve the same legal rights. "A recent study on homosexual relationships finds they last 1-1/2 years on average...Among heterosexuals, by contrast, 67 percent of first marriages in the United States last at least 10 years, and researchers report that more than three-quarters of married people say they have been faithful to their vows...men in homosexual relationships on average have eight partners a year outside those relationships."
http://www.washtimes.com/news/2003/ju... FLAW #3
Further, "Dr. Xiridou's findings are bad news for homosexuals here in the U.S. who are pushing for same-sex marriage...The fact is that homosexuals are notoriously promiscuous and are becoming even more so as AIDS drugs provide them with a feeling of temporary safety." http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modu...
I challenge you to SHOW me any portion of either the U.S. Constitution or CA Constitution guaranteeing 'sexual orientation' equal status or rights tantamount to 'race' since you were outlandish enough in your assertion to connote they are equal in legal status! The onus to PROVE it rests on your shoulders now S.B. Good luck. FLAW #4
Righteous indignation or "rage" as you put it is perfectly justifiable if directed against EVIL like when Jesus overturned the money-changers tables in the temple. Do you think Jesus was wrong for reacting with "rage" then?
God has a "perfect hatred" for EVIL and so should we, because we are created in His image, which is HOLY. God, BTW, is LOVE. "God is love..." I JOHN 4:8,16 FLAW #5 Therefore, any attempt on your part or anyone else's to redefine it via same-sex marriage disqualifies it as LOVE as God abhors homosexuality and is LOVE!

Again, if you take religion out of your argument... YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT. While various political pieces of writing may address "God" they do not and NEVER HAVE addressed Jesus. God is a catch-all. It speaks to anyone who believes in a higher power. My particular brand of religion (of reform Judaism) believes that everyone has the right to get married. Why does YOUR religion get to be the one who determines how others live their lives? Then again, religion has no place in the law anyway. It's completely subjective.

So try again. Without the religious dogma.

President and Declaration of Independence signer John Adams said in an 1809 letter to Benjamin Rush, another signer of the Declaration of Independence, "The Holy Ghost carries on the whole Christian system in this Earth. Not a baptism, not a marriage, not a Sacrament can be administered but by the Holy Ghost..." Adams also is remembered for this now famous quote, "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." Adams refuted Thomas Paine's "Age of Reason" with this statement, " “The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity..."

Patrick Henry is famous for saying, "Give me liberty or give me death," but his last will and testament set the record straight about his faith wherein he said, "This is all the inheritance I can give to my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed."

John Jay, our 1st Supreme Court Chief Justice, penned these powerful words to his last will and testament, "Unto Him who is the author and giver of all good, I render sincere and humble thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings, and especially for our redemption and salvation by His beloved son."

Finally, listen to the poignant words of Benjamin Rush, another signer of the Declaration of Independence. "My only hope of salvation is in the infinite, transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly!"

So much for "they...NEVER HAVE addressed Jesus" S.B.!

We the People, as Pres. John Adams so aptly put it, cannot afford to remove religion from our emancipation equation!

We the People need a fresh and full infusion of the same FREE SPIRIT our founding fathers possessed or We the People will be assimilated once and for all into the New World Order's (NWO's) 2nd union, the NAU!

Divorcing ourselves from the religious righteousness that fueled our founding fathers fight for freedom will ultimately prove fatal to America's sovereignty as a nation.

Instead, I suggest We the People remember,respect, and resurrect these immortal words of President Abraham Lincoln regarding whose side of the Civil War he believed God was on. He said, "... my concern is not whether God is on our side, my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right."

You're missing the point: they may have said all that in their PRIVATE lives, but they made a conscious decision to NOT include wording like that in the Constitution. You won't ever find Jesus named in the Constitution or any piece of legislation ever because it's not what this country stands for. We're free here to worship whomever or whatever we please. Or no one at all.

Again, if you take religion out of your argument, you have no ground to stand on.

S.B., John Adams' "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people..." and Abraham Lincoln's quote about being on God's side were MORE than merely PRIVATE!

Revisionists are suppressing, rewriting, & expunging the TRUTH of our Christian heritage, even in the new underground tour @ DC.

http://nationaltreasures.org/

Plenty of PROOF, though, is PUBLIC right in DC, in spite of the politically correct new underground tour, honoring America's Christian heritage.

David Barton says that is so true. Take the U.S. Capitol, for instance.

Barton said, "Just walk into the Rotunda. In the Rotunda, four paintings hang on the wall. You have two prayer meetings, a Bible study and a baptism. That's just walking into the Rotunda of the U.S. Capitol."

"Besides the Capitol, you will find references to God at the Washington Monument, the Lincoln Memorial, the National Archives, Senate and House office buildings, the U.S. Supreme Court, the Jefferson Memorial, and the Library of Congress."

http://www.cbn.com/CBNNews/News/04070...

How 'bout U.S. Supreme Court corroboration?

“Probably at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, and of the First Amendment to it . . . the general if not the universal sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the state so far as was not incompatible with the private religious rights of conscience and the freedom of religious worship. . .The real object of the amendment was...exclude all rivalry among Christian sects, and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment which should give to a hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government."
[Justice Joseph Story (who served on the Supreme Court from 1811-1845) Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 2 Vol. 2:593-95, 2nd Ed. Boston: Little Brown (1905)]

Justice Josiah Brewer wrote on February 29, 1892, “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian. [Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S. 457-458, 465-471, 36 L ed 226. (1892).]

A distinctively Christian view of the law is also reflected in Davis v. Beason, 133 U.S. 333 (1890):

“Bigamy and polygamy are crimes by the laws of all civilized and Christian countries. They are crimes by the laws of the United States, and they are crimes by the laws of Idaho . . . It was never intended or supposed that the (First) amendment could be invoked as a protection against legislation for the punishment of acts inimical to the peace, good order, and morals of society...However free the exercise of religion may [133 U.S. 333, 343] be, it must be subordinate to the criminal laws of the country..."

Again, it is you that miss the whole point of this blog, SB!

xoomac, I appreciate your spirited support of Proposition 8. I am also strongly in support of Proposition 8. In fact, I have been spending all of my free time as a volunteer for the Yes on Prop. 8 campain. Interestingly enough, despite what the media at large would have us believe, the majority of registered voters in this state SUPPORT PROP. 8.

This is not a political issue, nor is it a religious one. This (above all else) is a moral issue. Thinking about the effect that same sex parents have on the children they rear, it is important for the institution of marriage to remain as that between a man and a woman. There are literally decades of research shows us that children prosper in homes where there is both a mother and a father. Additionally, the same research shows us that children reared in same-sex homes miss out on important developmental opportunities, often resulting in mal-adjusted children.

I'm voting YES ON PROP 8 because I want my voice heard that I support traditional marriage. While teaching equality and tolerance is important, that is a vastly different message than teaching children about various sexual orientations being acceptable.

Thanks for sharing your views & for committing to the passage of Proposition 8 Nightwisp.

I found it very telling tonight in the V.P. candidates debate that Sen. Biden, Gov. Palin, Sen. Obama & Sen. McCain ALL oppose same-sex marriage & are resolute in their defense of traditional and biblical marriage between ONLY ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN.

Additionally, although many contend that "sexual orientation" should be given the same treatment legally as civil rights such as gender, race, and religion, whose "sexual orientation" is the state of CA defending and why? Why is the state of CA ONLY taking up the cause of ONE "sexual orientation" known as HOMOSEXUALITY?

4 liberal activist judges have swung wide open pandora's box of sexual perversions such as homosexuality, pedophilia, beastiality, etc. If Prop. 8 does NOT pass, then ANY and EVERY "sexual orientation" can now legally argue for their inclusion in the adoption of "sexual orientation" as an accepted "civil right" guaranteed by the constitution.

People have already tried to legitimize and legalize other "sexual orientations" that up 'til now have been unanimously considered either ILLEGAL and/or IMMORAL. Some of these include pedophilia (NAMBLA wants the age of consent lowered to 8 years of age), beastiality (i.e. the man who wanted to have sex with his horse accepted as a legitimate expression of his "sexual orientation"), and bigamy or polygamy where multiple partners (i.e. among LDS) are "O.K."

Don't be fooled by the rhetoric either! This is a FAMILY LAW issue & FAMILY LAW COURTS in CA will be forced at great taxpayers' expense to REWRITE every legal document, including marriage licenses like the one in Roseville, CA that was returned for having used the traditional "bride and groom" titles & supplanted with "party A" and "party B!" http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.ph...

Imagine how expensive this "political correctness" imposition of the homosexual agenda will be for our state and country should Prop. 8 NOT pass.

Imagine how much more costly this travesty of justice will become when OTHER "sexual orientations" start demanding that their "sexual orientation" be legitimized and legalized,too, and that any/all dissenters be criminally prosecuted under expansion of the CA 2005 HATE CRIMES bill.

"A single grain of rice can tip the scale. One man may be the difference between victory and defeat."

Please join Nightwisp, myself, and others like Obama, McCain, Biden, and Palin in pledging your support for biblical & traditional marriage between ONE MAN & ONE WOMAN by casting your vote in favor of PROP. 8 & by going to the following website & pledging your support, too. You'll be glad you did, & some day your children & someone else's children will thank you, too.

http://www.protectmarriage.com/

Founded on Christian principles? The people who signed the Declaration of Independence INTENTIONALLY and PURPOSEFULLY demanded a seperation of church and state. If you want to throw quotes around, I suggest you take a look at these:

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."
-Benjamin Franklin

"There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness."
-George Washington

"The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma."
-Abraham Lincoln (oh, how wrong you were about him)

"My earlier views at the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them."
-Abraham Lincoln, letter to Judge J.S. Wakefield, after the death of Willie Lincoln

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
-Thomas Jefferson, February 10, 1814

"The divorce between church and state ought to be absolute. It ought to be absolute. It ought to be so absolute that no church property anywhere, in any state, or in any nation, should be exempt from taxation, for if you exempt the church property of any church organization, to that extent you impose tax upon the whole community."
-US Pres. James A. Garfield, address to Congress

"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole carloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity."
-John Adams (you were wrong about him, too)

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries."
-James Madison, 1803

"So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake... Religion is all bunk."
-Thomas Edison

"Its first and most immediate purpose rested on the belief that a union of government and religion tends to destroy government and degrade religion."
-Justice Hugo L. Black, on the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment

But, again, if you take your religious dogma out of the equation, you have no ground to stand on.

By the way, here are some other things to consider (which you will likely ignore):

1. Proponents of Proposition 8 argue that it reflects the "people's will," as evidenced by Prop 22. Since public opinion polls show that support to allow same-sex marriages is growing quickly, will those who are crying "majority rules" step aside if Proposition 8 fails?

2. Until 1967, it was also the "people's will" that interracial marriages be illegal and the institution of marriage seems to have withstood this "assault" on its foundation, as it has withstood divorce, adultery and, in my case, a Catholic marrying a Jew. If you should be protesting ANYTHING demeaning marriage, it should be divorce.

3. The Supreme Court's decision is being attacked as bench legislation by a "liberal activist court". Did you know that the Supreme Court is considered moderate, with Republican governors appointing six of its seven members?

4. Civil unions are a legal issue, which is where the state's involvement should begin and end. Marriages should be performed and recognized by churches, synagogues and mosques, etc. If a religious institution does not want to acknowledge a relationship, then that is a private matter between them and their God. However, when a state refuses to acknowledge a relationship, it is a public matter — and is indefensible.

5. I believe that a gay man can be just as good a father as a straight man, but that he can't be as good a mother as a woman, which is why a man and a woman is the ideal partnership for raising children. However, the reality is that millions of children in this state are being raised in situations that are nowhere near ideal and suffer as a result. If two committed, loving adults want to commit their lives to raising a child, God — and the state of California — bless them. Again, are you prepared to protest single parents? Unless you and your wife have a houseful of adopted kids, I don't know where you get off telling me that only a mother and father can properly raise a child (and as the child of a single parent, I can tell you honestly I would have been worse off with my father - a shattered Vietnam vet and drug addict - around).

6. You have yet to show me how allowing same-sex marriage in any way diminishes your marriage, your family or your role as a father.

The simple fact is that a YES on Prop 8 is blatant hypocrisy. Twisting it in anyway is to conveniently fit it into the unevolved recesses of ones mind. These are the same simple minds that supported Apartheid, religious persecution & segregation.

Equality for ALL.

If you want to argue about our founding fathers intentions and our country's foundational documents, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, then you better get your facts straight, because all you've done is regurgitate Mainscream Media (MSM) politically correct propaganda!

The "separation" was from tyrannical ENGLAND, not from God and His protection/providence as evident in the following excerpts taken right from the Declaration of Independence:

"Nature's God...

...truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal...

...endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

...appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions

...firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence..."

The founding fathers score "2" for creation over evolution here, prove that the real HYPOCRITES are the opponents of Prop. 8 as "all men are created equal" is one of those "self-evident" "truths" exposing the deception and lies of same-sex marriage advocates crying they don't have equality or "equal protection" yet which is nonsense as "all men" is inclusive and refers to ALL MALES and FEMALES, and dispel the blatant secular myth of "separation of church and state" with their "appealing" to God to secure His blessing as far as their rightness of "intentions" and "reliance" on His "protection" as a just God.

If you REMOVE God from the equation, like clueless SB incessantly contends our founders already did, which as you can see from the Declaration of Independence excerpts above is utterly absurd, then We the People can no longer expect God to bless our "intentions" or rely on Him for His "protection" as He and His "providence" are not welcome.

This is precisely what has happened in America! We the People have forgotten who blessed, created, and gave us this "land of the free" and the "home of the brave" and brazenly supplanted idols like secular humanism and atheism in God's stead, mocked the motto, "In God We Trust," and acquiesced to the arrogant ACLU (founded by a socialist) & apoplectic atheists objecting to having "God bless America," because they prefer to deny God ever existed and had anything to do with establishing the united States of America at all.

Repeating lies, revising/rewriting history, and removing any/all references/real images/icons to the same God our founding fathers referenced and revered proves how desperate and deceitful opponents to Prop. 8 really are!

The TRUTH is what opponents to Prop. 8 hate/loathe and show complete contempt for. These "truths" were "self-evident" to our founding fathers, and TRUTH is immutable, so who is trying to deceive or dupe whom here?

Do the RIGHT thing and vote YES on Prop. 8!

The 3 dissenting CA justices got it right by objecting to the 4 in majority as follows:

"I cannot join the majority’s holding that the California Constitution gives same-sex couples a right to marry...the majority violates the separation of powers, and thereby commits profound error...The California Constitution says nothing about the rights of same-sex couples to marry...the majority’s approach has removed the sensitive issues surrounding same-sex marriage from their proper forum — the arena of legislative resolution — and risks opening the door to similar treatment of other, less deserving, claims of a right to marry. By thus moving the policy debate from the legislative process to the court, the majority engages in faulty constitutional analysis and violates the separation of powers ...If such a profound change in this ancient social institution is to occur, the People and their representatives, who represent the public conscience, should have the right, and the responsibility, to control the pace of that change through the democratic process. Family Code sections 300 and 308.5 serve this salutary purpose. The majority’s decision erroneously usurps it. For all these reasons, I would affirm the judgment of the Court of Appeal." Justice Marvin Baxter

"This court can overrule a vote of the people only if the Constitution compels us to do so. Here, the Constitution does not. Therefore, I must dissent...The majority concludes that the voters’ decision to retain the traditional definition of marriage is unconstitutional. I disagree...The majority refers to the race cases, from which our equal protection jurisprudence has evolved. The analogy does not hold. The civil rights cases banning racial discrimination were based on duly enacted amendments to the United States Constitution, proposed by Congress and ratified by the people through the states...What is unique about this case is that plaintiffs seek both to join the institution of marriage and at the same time to alter its definition...The voters who passed Proposition 22 not long ago decided to keep the meaning of marriage as it has always been understood in California. The majority improperly infringes on the prerogative of the voters by overriding their decision. It does that which it acknowledges it should not do: it redefines marriage because it believes marriage should be redefined. (See maj. opn., ante, at pp. 4-5, 109.) It justifies its decision by finding a constitutional infirmity where none exists...If there is to be a new understanding of the meaning of marriage in California, it should develop among the people of our state and find its expression at the ballot box."

Justice Carol Corrigan

A majority of "1" CA Supreme Court Justice is a far cry from the voice of over 4,000,000 CA voters that had their voice codified as family law in 2000!

Vote Yes on Prop. 8!

I am very grateful to everyone for their insightful writings herein. Has anyone looked at the current marriage license for the State of California? It can be found at the link:
http://www.lavote.net/RECORDER/PDFS/c...
You will find the titles of GROOM & BRIDE deleted and replaced by the titles PARTY A & PARTY B. You see couples right to be legally known as a Bride or Groom has been removed - legally removed by the State of California.
If Prop 8 passes all monotheist religious will be impacted across the state.
If this passes churches/temples (all religious and beliefs) across California may be sued for denying a marriage ceremony to a gay couple. California public school may be required to add to the sex education instruction, such as how to do it like a homosexual (male on male & female on female). Many other effects could follow…

I do not understand why a democrat can call himself/herself a Christian. The Democrat politicians are the only politicians who are fighting against God on every front and using that fight in their campaign. They are not hiding their disgust for monotheist or Christianity. Democrats say there is no place for God outside your home. He does not belong in the work place, schools, on our money, in our government buildings, etc.

Christians should want to fight His fight. To fight all issues that contradict His will. I do not care about gay rights because no legislature can grant rights. All right come only from the creator. Call it Gay rights all day long but it really is about creating a world without God. Christian democrats should be careful voting for such a secular society and voting for politician that they know will only seek to promote a secular society. God said he will judge base on our knowledge. Meaning the more we know of his word the more we will be held accountable. God placed his hand on America in its conception and the founding fathers knew this and acknowledged it in every form of government from our money to placing the hand on the bible prior to testifying and swearing in elected politicians. God had all the patience in the world for Israel but that patience was not unlimited. When his patience ran out the Jews paid a heavy price for many generations to follow. Currently, I am starting to wonder if God has once again become impatient with His "One Nation Under God." I believe when this nation was conceived he was a proud father. But I think his patience has again grown thin and is about to totally remove his hand from this nation as he did with the nation is Israel.

Wow. You're just crazy and apparently incapable of comprehending what your reading. You also failed to answer any of my questions. Obviously GOD existsin legal documents. What doesn't exist in legal documents is JESUS. Nothing in the Constitution makes Christianity the official religion of this country (I didn't say MAJORITY, I said Official Religion). Stop your crazy ranting and try to come up with a valid way to back your nonsensical ranting that DOESN'T involve quoting the Bible.

SB, your arguments are laughable & lamentable. You can't divorce JESUS (YESHUA)from God (YAHWEH) as JESUS & GOD share the SAME HOLY SPIRIT or divine nature. Yours is the same lame argument the self-righteous had against Jesus.

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." JOHN 8:58

"And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?" JOHN 10:20

"I and [my] Father are one." JOHN 10:30

I answered you with TRUTH, which you deny & are ostensibly still blinded to & reject.

Your post on the "general blog" insisting that "love is love and families can be made out of anything" proves my pt! You are incapable of understanding spiritual TRUTH as you are apparently NOT yet "born again" or spiritually alive & well.

"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned." I CORINTHIANS 2:12-14

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." II TIMOTHY 3:1-7

Again, answer my question, SB, and tell us what 'standard' for TRUTH you adhere to in lieu of the Bible in order to justify your laughable and lamentable polemics.

TRUTH is what is important, NOT your opinion.

God's foolishness is immensely superior to man's wisdom.

It is incumbent upon you as a staunch defender of "same-sex marriage" to prove otherwise.

Californians need not settle for the lesser of 2 evils by voting for McCain or Obama either. They should vote for the one and only remaining "champion of the constitution," Chuck Baldwin. http://www.baldwin08.com/

CA voters need not settle for less than the TRUTH either when it comes to validating and voting in NOV. for MARRIAGE to remain as God intended it to be; namely: a union between ONLY ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN!

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

Look, if you want to be a crusader for marriage - if you truly believe that gay marriage will have some vast corrosive impact on marriage as a whole - go after these first and THEN pass your constitutional ammendment.

DIVORCE. Roughly 50% of marriage end in divorce. If you believe that gay marriage is single-handedly erroding the sanctity of marriage you cannot possibly be pro-divorce. Every piece of legislation passed in recent decades making divorces easier to obtain should be subject to bans, popular referendum and constitutional amendments.

LAS VEGAS. Okay, not Vegas as a city, but the ease with which people can get married in general. If you're 18 years old and have blood in your body (and are of different sexes) you can get married to someone you met this morning. You don't even have to know his last name. You can get married by someone who was ordained on the internet. Before you lobby to ban gay marriage, you might want to ban the sheer frivolousness of straight marriage. You should be lobbying for a increase in minimum-age requirements, for pre-marriage counseling, and mandatory waiting periods before marriages (AND divorces) can be performed.

BIRTH CONTROL. You keep saying that marriage is for "pro-reation". If you're going to make the arguement that the optimal social structure for children to be raised in (and, by the way, there are no reliable studies indication this is true), then you need to legislate against single parents, poor parents, two career parents, alcoholic and sick parents.

Here is why marriage will ultimately survive gay marriage: because when it comes down to it, people just want and deserve a soulmate. Someone to grow old with. You have yet to provide a credible reason why this should be denied to them.

The decision to make marriage "sacred" does not belong to the state. It is sacred because we choose to treat it that way. We make marriage a joke by treating it like some two week adventure that can be annulled when we get bored. There is no evidence that gay couples are anymore inclined to take it lightly than rock stars, celebrities, Larry King, or John McCain. There will be sanctity in marriage when we recognize that any couple, regardless of gender or orientation, can make sacred choices.

I intend to vote no on prop 8, gays and lesbians are people too and they deserve the same rights as everyone else. Prejudice is what its called and I thought people were trying to overcome that. Open your hearts and your minds. God says we are all one, well that includes gays as well. Why would you not want everyone to be happy? If you have a problem with them teaching it at school then take the fight there. They already took religion out of school lets keep with that tradition of censorship.

SB said, "You have yet to provide a credible reason why this should be denied to them." & "There is no evidence that gay couples are anymore inclined to take it lightly than rock stars, celebrities, Larry King, or John McCain. There will be sanctity in marriage when we recognize that any couple, regardless of gender or orientation, can make sacred choices."

Already covered these objections SB earlier in same thread when I said the following,

"Another serious FLAW in your post is your FALSE notion that same-sex marriages/unions are really no different than heterosexual marriages and deserve the same legal rights. "A recent study on homosexual relationships finds they last 1-1/2 years on average...Among heterosexuals, by contrast, 67 percent of first marriages in the United States last at least 10 years, and researchers report that more than three-quarters of married people say they have been faithful to their vows...men in homosexual relationships on average have eight partners a year outside those relationships."
http://www.washtimes.com/news/2003/jul/1... FLAW #3
Further, "Dr. Xiridou's findings are bad news for homosexuals here in the U.S. who are pushing for same-sex marriage...The fact is that homosexuals are notoriously promiscuous and are becoming even more so as AIDS drugs provide them with a feeling of temporary safety." http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules... "

Again, for like the 3rd time at least SB, please tell us what YOUR STANDARD of TRUTH is to defend "same-sex marriage" as opposed to mine, the Bible, God's Word.

Finally, God chooses who and what makes things sacred (i.e. marriage) and I've also already provided ample scriptures to demonstrate God's displeasure/disgust for "homosexuality," so how can you deem it "sacred?"

Seems you have NO standard other than your own "moral relativism," which means as long as it feels good, do it.

That's NOT sacred. That's selfish and subjective!

This isn't a fight about others' morality (i.e. divorce, Vegas, & birth control you singled out), but about the LEGAL right to amend our CA Constitution by legislating from the bench & unconstitutionally usurping the will of We the People in 2000 by the majority vote of 4-3, and the LEGAL right to redefine MARRIAGE!

God will be the arbiter over whether or not you, me, or those others you singled out unfairly are or are not fit for His Kingdom later on. Right now the JUDGES in CA have been either BOUGHT OFF or LOBBIED by GAY ACTIVISTS to BACK DOOR CA into accepting a LIE in a very unconstitutional and underhanded way.

Let's put this issue back in the hands of We the People and see how it goes down in November at the BATTLE/BALLOT BOX!

Vote Yes on Prop. 8!

Since CA's Supreme Court regrettably opened Pandora's box, Connecticut has now joined the fray in assaulting MARRIAGE with their own E. Coast brand of legislating from the bench.

It's time for Americans to reign in, recall, or remove politicians, whether elected or appointed, as there are constitutional means for redress of greivance for all 3 branches that abuse their separation of powers & fail to respect their own state voters' rights by trampling underfoot the state constitution they swore or affirmed to uphold.

Here is PROOF POSITIVE that both states', CA and CT, supreme court rulings are UNconstitutional & Unjust.

The California Constitution expressly prohibits the courts from making
laws; only the Legislature and the people, using the initiative process, may
change the statutes or the constitution. The Governor must faithfully execute
California’s statutes and constitution, as written.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 3 STATE OF CALIFORNIA
SEC. 3. The powers of state government are legislative, executive, and
judicial. Persons charged with the exercise of one power may not exercise
either of the others except as permitted by this Constitution.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 4 LEGISLATIVE
SEC. 1. The legislative power of this State is vested in the California
Legislature which consists of the Senate and Assembly, but the people reserve
to themselves the powers of initiative and referendum.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 5 EXECUTIVE
SECTION 1. The supreme executive power of this State is vested in the
Governor. The Governor shall see that the law is faithfully executed.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 2 VOTING, INITIATIVE AND REFERENDUM, AND RECALL
SECTION 1. All political power is inherent in the people. Government is
instituted for their protection, security, and benefit, and they have the
right to alter or reform it when the public good may require.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 18 AMENDING AND REVISING THE CONSTITUTION
SEC. 3. The electors may amend the Constitution by initiative.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 18 AMENDING AND REVISING THE CONSTITUTION
SEC. 4. A proposed amendment or revision shall be submitted to the electors
and if approved by a majority of votes thereon takes effect the day after the
election unless the measure provides otherwise.

3. Like most Supreme Courts, both the Utah Supreme Court in Jones v.
Barlow (2007) and the Michigan Supreme Court in Van v. Zahorik (1999)
avoided the error of the judiciary branch unconstitutionally exercising the
powers of the legislative branch
From Jones v. Barlow http://www.utcourts.gov/opinions/supo...

http://savecalifornia.com/Countyclerk...

Call/Contact Gov. Schwarzenegger & respectfully remind him that it is HIS job, according to Article 5, Executive Section 1, to "...see that the law is faithfully executed."

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

This Gay Rights issue has our public school teacher (the functionally illiterates of our society) teaching elementary schools kids about sex. Note they are teaching homosexual sex not heterosexual sex. But, any sex education at that age is stupid which proves my prior point: they are the functionally illiterates of our society. Not all but too many public school teachers are pushing their agenda rather then literacy and mathematics. Public school teachers are taking valuable class time to speak on political issues rather then to cover and then review and then re-review math and English concepts. Cover politics when you have taught them all you have to teach them about Math & English. They cannot get anywhere in life just knowing that you are pro-gay. Teach the children to fish to feed them for a lifetime.

A Massachusetts father who spent a night in jail amid an attempt to stop instruction on gay life style to his children that violated his Christian beliefs says his court case ultimately accomplished its goal.
Not only did school officials set up and pursue the program, they specifically refused to tell Christian parents when the teaching would take place. According to a new report from MassResistance, a pro-family organization following the case, the dispute was over the Lexington Schools' "aggressive policy of normalizing homosexual behavior to elementary school children and not allowing parents to be notified before or after, or being able to opt-out their kids from it."
David Parker says he was successful even though the U.S. Supreme Court refused to take up the case. The high court's decision left standing an appeals court ruling essentially concluding parents who object to such indoctrination should either change their school board or start homeschooling.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.ph...

A Christian father was put in jail in for his beliefs. This was not in China, Cube or USSR. It was in the United States of America. Is this the beginning of the persecution of the Christians? Some say the United States is the new Roman Empire. Is our court system the new coliseum for persecuting Christians for their belief? I understand lions will not be eating Christians alive in front a cheering crowd as they did in the Roma Empire. But what would you call imprisonment for a belief? Other then his belief in Christ he did nothing wrong. That sounds like persecution to me.
Of course many homosexuals will say, "breeders are just getting what they deserve for all the years we were abused."
By saying this they are only justifying the persecution and admitting that Christians today are being persecuted for their belief. No one should be persecuted for a belief regardless of how radical it may be. Note however, taking action on a radical belief should not be immune to our justice system.

We the People get what we deserve in America for NOT holding elected officials accountable to the U.S. Constitution & state constitutions in the first place.

The real crux of the matter is when "special interests" or well-financed lobbying organizations steer or gain control of labor unions like the NEA & AFT so as to push hidden or politically correct agendas instead of the 4 R's: Reading, wRiting, aRithmetic, & Respect!

We the People are suffering from the same or similar problem with our courts, which is why Prop. 8 has to even go to the ballot box again.

My detractors so far have merely acknowledged a god of their own feeble & finite vain imaginations, which they've created, who gave us 10 "suggestions" instead of commandments, whose holy writ they consider another excuse to bash real Christians over the head with because the TRUTH is too painful for them to deal with & so they opt instead to vociferously vent when anyone like me brings up the bible to expose their lies and sinful lifestyle rather than repent, obey God, & love others as God commanded. "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." JOHN 1:5 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." JOHN 3:19

Notice too that NOT ONE same-sex marriage proponent yet has taken me up on my 2 challenges to either posit a STANDARD of TRUTH superior to the bible to base their argument in defense of same-sex marriage on or even proffer what STANDARD they are using at all in defense of same-sex marriage other than their own opinion or society's politically correct propaganda proliferated by the MSM, as well as my standing challenge to prove (i.e. show me) where in the U.S. or CA Constitution "sexual orientation" is guaranteed the same status as race, gender, or religion.

Why not? What are they waiting for? What's the problem? All their annoying, petty arguments are inane, inaccurate, insignificant, & indefensible both biblically & constitutionally. Therefore they are NOT valid, only vapid.

Rejecting TRUTH, as Jesus claimed to be in JOHN 14:6, leaves nothing short of lies, half-truths, prevarication and manipulation for one to base their argument upon. This is precisely what same-sex marriage advocates have done. They have rejected the TRUTH & supplanted it with their own subjective surrogate/counterfeit.

America, like all nations, will be judged NOW for its collective sins and rebellion against God & His word. The shallow & suspect opinions of carnal creatures stubbornly stupid enough to test the Creator's forbearance with impunity by insisting their rights matter more than doing what's right is but a harbinger of what is in store for America should Prop. 8 not pass.

Don't fall for the LIES of same-sex marriage proponents that all they want is the right to "civil marriage" for gays. The TRUTH is, follow the money, honey! Here's why.

CA Teachers Union Ignites 'Class Warfare' over Prop 8

"In the weeks leading up to Halloween, the California Teacher's Association (CTA) has no intention of masking its agenda on marriage. The 340,000-member organization -- long considered a powerful branch of the radical Left -- took a risky step yesterday by donating a million dollars to defeat Proposition 8. The gift, which is now the largest contribution by any institutional donor to the ballot issue, raises the stakes in an already tense battle for parents' rights.

The CTA's own members, whose dues are fueling this opposition, are fuming. Many, like Randy Peart, are questioning what same-sex "marriage" has to do with education. "It bothers me [that they're] spend[ing] my money on something I'm morally opposed to," she said. "Why not put that money into classrooms, into making a better place for these kids?" But according to CTA President David Sanchez, "...[I]t's a civil rights issue." And he's right. This is a civil rights issue -- for children who deserve to be raised by a mother and father.

The donation, CTA's second, should serve as a wake-up call for anyone who doesn't believe that schools are becoming dangerous incubators for the homosexual cause. If the union will stoop to using its dues to promote the homosexual agenda, then you can bet it will have no reservations about using its classrooms. Just last week, a San Francisco administrator took first graders on a field trip to their teacher's lesbian "wedding." How's that for indoctrination?

If California schools are promoting "teachable moments" like this for five- and six-year-olds, imagine what the middle and high school curriculums will look like! This is much more than a battle for marriage. It's a last stand for education and parents' rights. The CTA's million dollars will go a long way to undermining the truth. California families need your help! Log on to www.protectmarriage.com and educate yourself about the issues at stake in this fight."

Additional Resources
ProtectMarriage.com
News 10: Teacher's Union Blasted for $1 Million Donation to No on Prop 8

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=WU08J03&amp...

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

Watch the following video & judge for yourself what gay activists pushing for same-sex marriage really want!

http://link.brightcove.com/services/play...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Q4V8WNF...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDwIy3mT1...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXjrULY3R...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsiZ3crfX...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUU07JFSz...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmYYyhUbV...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj5sMUm_h...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1mjzpjuL...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-jc4ujp9...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiX5APGCr...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JblKTarBO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko2-EQss0...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Q4V8...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDwIy3...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXjrUL...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsiZ3c...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUU07J...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmYYyh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj5sMU...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1mjzp...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-jc4u...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiX5AP...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JblKTa...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko2-EQ...

interesting that you say that the hate and intolerance hasn't come from Christians it's come from gay and lesbian activists considering I was standing out on Bouquet and Soledad earlier today Holding a No on Prop 8 sign when I mother in a mini-van full of children drove by and through eggs at my friends and I. Sure enough she had a Jesus Fish and a big old Cross on the back of her window, talk about being a light for Jesus!

So check yourself and the facts, before you tell more lies which the whole Yes on Prop 8 campaign is based on.

Would Jesus Lie to pass an amendment? or more importantly would Jesus lie at all?

Stop your hypocrisy and bigotry and try acting like a human for once and stop trying to steal other people rights away.

Although I would never condone chucking eggs @ you or anyone, I know firsthand how hateful & intolerant "gay activists" are when it comes to pushing their insidious agenda. I teach in the public schools as a Christian & have witnessed their manipulative & mean-spirited assaults on God, the bible, & Christianity, including labeling me & anyone else who disagrees with them as "intolerant" & "homophobic." The TRUTH is "gay activists" are by nature militant, HATE-filled, intolerant individuals assaulting anything Godly, biblical, & Christian with impunity.

They are what I term, HOMO-FIXATED, basing their entire IDENTITY upon an abominable-to-God sexual perversion known as "homosexuality." Their whole I.D. is reduced to a deviant sexual behavior. That in & of itself is troubling enough, but the hubris & hatred that fuels "gay activism" is downright disconcerting.

Genome Project has debunked the "gay gene" as false, & plenty of people have LEFT the homosexual lifestyle to live a normal life, including one-time "gay rights" leader, Michael Glatze, who says, "Homosexuality, delivered to young minds, is by its very nature pornographic. It destroys impressionable minds and confuses their developing sexuality; I did not realize this, however, until I was 30 years old."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/art...

Who's LYING to whom?

The "homosexual" lifestyle is based upon & relies upon LIES to perpetuate itself.

This is exactly why the "gay activists" have gone BACK DOOR over & over to sway sympathetic, activist judges.

I have presented FACTS, EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, & the TRUTH. For which of those do you brand me a liar?

CA does NOT need to kowtow to judicial activism selling out to the homosexual agenda.

You & I have ALL the same rights as any other MAN or WOMAN in CA & the USA! Those are clearly enumerated w/in both the federal & state constitutions. How dare you insist that "sexual orientation" be exalted ABOVE the "bill of rights" & given EQUAL status tantamount to "civil rights" such as race, gender, and religion! What homosexual hubris!

The PEOPLE, NOT the courts, get to have the FINAL say as to what is & what isn't constitutional. Let's see what happens on Nov. 4th, shall we?

If 4 UNconstitutional, UNjust lawyers had NOT usurped the will of 61% of CA voters in 2000, then we wouldn't be back @ the BALLOT BOX fighting for a "constitutional amendment" now would we? Talk about LIES!

Religious freedom, parental rights & their child's health & well-being (free from indoctrination & inculcation by the insidious homosexual agenda already part of the CA ED CODE), as well as other constitutional rights for professionals like pastors & teachers like myself are all at stake if Prop. 8 fails.

Who's lying?

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

So much time and energy is wasted arguing with you. You just don't get it! I fear your stupidity. This is 2008 not 25BC.
No on Prop 8.

Arguing with it will only provoke it and provide it an opportunity to ooze more vile, warped intolerance.

Proposition 8 is wrong. It is discriminatory. It is immoral. It is INEXCUSABLE.

Vote with a clear conscious on November 4th. VOTE NO ON PROP 8!

Okay, let's talk about YOUR truth. First off what Bible version are you quoting from? King James? New International Version? American Standard? Or one of the numerous re-writes? Actually it doesn't matter! I think I made my point.

Marriage in the Bible was a man owning his wife like a piece of property. They had more than one wife or at the very least had one wife with many "rampant multiple sex partners" Imagine that...right there in the B-I-B-L-E straight married people having more than one sex partner. But of course we all know that would never happen in the United States, only in Europe. Now that I've picked my fun with you and probably pissed you off, let me get serious.

This is obviously about SEX with you and you just can't be confronted to have to think about Man-Man sex. This is what really bothers most people, the sex part. I understand that and I get it. People overlook Love and go straight to the sex. Why look at Love and commitment when there is SEX? We try not to go there, but we always do, in fact most people think about SEX all throughout the day. And of course, we would have to define what IS sex before we start down that argument. I find that the natural way we humans tend to react, we like SEX. Most straight men find woman-woman sex a turn on, but we don't need to go there. Do we?

I think (just my opinion) we all need to take a deep breathe and realize that we are all ONE in connection with God and what you hate or dislike in me and I in you is only a reflection of ones self. And I don't exclude myself in that. Believe me; I'm having a tough time with it too.

We are all spiritual beings having human experiences, not the other way around. We come from that Perfect Place within God/Spirit to a not so perfect place called this body of ours and to live on a not so perfect planet. Well, I'm sure it was perfect until we got here. I will admit it is not an easy transition and sometimes not a fun one either. We come here to live, learn, love and hopefully grow before we leave and return to Spirit.

I really don't think us going back and forth is going to change either one of our minds on this issue and many others you bring up, so let's just leave it at this: We just disagree. I'm happy with that.

You have taught me to be a little more understanding that there are people out there that I have to really learn to love regardless of our disagreements, opinions, beliefs and ways of living out this life. Because whether I or WE like it or not, we are connected. I've turned inward to find out what it is in ME that makes me dislike you so much. I think that is what makes this journey of life so interesting and the process of learning to live, learn, love and grow never ends. Thank you!

I wish you all the best in human life and what it has to offer. I'll see you in Spirit later.

To all opponents of Prop. 8 that think like, agree with, & believe what RobD does, please consider the following facts.

TRUTH is immutable. It cares not whether you believe it or buy into it or not. Laws based on "universal truths" govern our own universe. I hope we can agree on that much. Those laws are NOT just "physical" (i.e. the law of thermodynamics, gravitational acceleration, light, sound, movement, etc.), but also "spiritual."

There is a parallel universe that exists within the "spiritual" or invisible realm that every now and then we humans get a glimpse into by chasing UFO's & GHOSTS on TV shows devoted to the preternatural like "Ghost Hunters" and via websites like the BLACK VAULT.

This proves We the People have a fascination with what we believe is definitely "out there" but we can't agree on or fully explain to everyone's satisfaction.

It appears we may even agree on that much.

My point, though, right now is that you are right in believing & bringing up "spiritual" TRUTH as every bit as credible & vital to our existence as the physical. As a matter of fact, the bible, which you don't seem to revere, speaks of God as a "spirit" and that man is created in God's image, thus making us "spiritual" beings as well.

That is precisely what Jesus was trying to explain to Nicodemus (Jewish religious leader) when he told him he must be "born again" and spoke of both the "physical" birth (baby born physically after exiting womb/uterus) & "spiritual" birth (same human's innermost being/spirit being changed from being spiritually dead to alive in Christ).

The temerity, though, you tout regarding the bible is eerily similar to the effrontery espoused by other NO on Prop. 8 posters like MG considering that the bible is the # 1 selling book in all the world & has the greatest historical validity or authenticity than it's closest counterpart, Homer's works, in terms of extant ancient manuscripts and copies found in addition to originals. Nothing comes close to the bible, not even Homer's works.

"...Over 20,000 copies of the New testament are in existence today. The Iliad has 643 manuscripts and is second in manuscripts authority after the New Testament...Both the authenticity and the general integrity of the books of the New Testament may be regarded as finally established."

http://gnfcw.org/authenticity_of_bibl...

My point again, is that NONE of the opponents to Prop. 8 I've challenged yet have posited any STANDARD for TRUTH at all such as the Bible I have in defense of their opinion for same-sex marriage. Some even use the lame claim that TRUTH outside the LAW is irrelevant as if LAWS are NOT subject to "universal laws" like everything else. Foolish!

Also, my challenge to have them provide "proof positive" from our CA or FED Constitutions that "sexual orientation" is deserving of EQUALITY as a "civil right" like RACE, GENDER, & RELIGION makes Swiss Cheese out of their position.

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

In spite of NO on Prop. 8 insistence, though, that God & Christianity kowtow to elitist judges legislating lawlessness instead of justice from the bench by usurping the will of over 4,000,000 CA voters passing Prop. 22 in 2000, Michael Glatze's confession as a one-time "gay rights" leader now turned straight & Christian should suffice for now to explain why YES on Prop. 8 is needed!

Michael Glatze speaks from experience when he says, "Homosexuality, delivered to young minds, is by its very nature pornographic. It destroys impressionable minds and confuses their developing sexuality; I did not realize this, however, until I was 30 years old...I was leading a movement of sin and corruption...homosexuality prevents us from finding our true self within. We cannot see the truth when we're blinded by homosexuality.

We believe, under the influence of homosexuality, that lust is not just acceptable, but a virtue. But there is no homosexual "desire" that is apart from lust...God is regarded as an enemy by many in the grip of homosexuality or other lustful behavior, because He reminds them of who and what they truly are meant to be. People caught in the act would rather stay "blissfully ignorant" by silencing truth and those who speak it, through antagonism, condemnation and calling them words like "racist," "insensitive," "evil" and "discriminatory." "

The desperation of hurrying off to get hitched BEFORE Prop. 8 goes to the BALLOT BOX only proves again how right Michael Glatze was in stating, "Homosexuality allows us to avoid digging deeper, through superficiality and lust-inspired attractions – at least, as long as it remains "accepted" by law. As a result, countless miss out on their truest self, their God-given Christ-self."

Choosing to IGNORE/INVERT God's Word on the matter clearly confirms Michael Glatze's contention that, "Part of the homosexual agenda is getting people to stop considering that conversion is even a viable question to be asked, let alone whether or not it works. In my experience, "coming out" from under the influence of the homosexual mindset was the most liberating, beautiful and astonishing thing I've ever experienced in my entire life...homosexual sex – and all other lust-based sex – is never satisfactory: It's a neurotic process rather than a natural, normal one. Normal is normal – and has been called normal for a reason."

Glatze adds, "...homosexuality is lust and pornography wrapped into one...I have seen it. I know the truth."

His conclusion?

"Healing from the sins of the world will not happen in an instant; but, it will happen – if we don't pridefully block it. God wins in the end, in case you didn't know."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/art...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.ph...

God bless Michael Glatze for "...speaking the truth in love..." EPHESIANS 4:15

Vote YES on PROP 8!

Want further proof of how the "homosexual activists" are going to use our tax-funded CA PUBLIC SCHOOLS (K-12) to indoctrinate captive, unsuspecting, impressionable little audiences with their perverted propaganda?

Then read this:

School holds surprise 'Gay' Day for kindergartners
Parents outraged at public elementary's secretive 'coming out' event

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.pri...

In case you failed to read the whole WND article, here is the riveting reality summed up by Brad Dacus @ the end:

"Brad Dacus, president of Pacific Justice Institute, said opponents of California's proposed ban on same-sex marriage, or Proposition 8, often say the measure would not have an effect on public schools – but this is one of many recent developments that prove otherwise.

"Do we need any further proof that gay activists will target children as early as possible?" he asked. "Opponents of traditional marriage keep telling us that Prop. 8 has nothing to do with education. In reality, they want to push the gay lifestyle on kindergartners, and we can only imagine how much worse it will be if Prop. 8 is defeated. This is not a scenario most Californians want replayed in their elementary schools."

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

How about MORE PROOF POSITIVE that young Californians as well know who is LYING about whether or not "homosexuality" will or won't be taught one way or the other @ California tax-payers expense as early as Kindergarten in CA Public Schools?

http://www.protectmarriage.com/articl...

Vote YES on Prop. 8

Want further proof of how the "homosexual activists" are going to use our tax-funded CA PUBLIC SCHOOLS (K-12) to indoctrinate captive, unsuspecting, impressionable little audiences with their perverted propaganda?

Then read this:

School holds surprise 'Gay' Day for kindergartners
Parents outraged at public elementary's secretive 'coming out' event

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.pri......

In case you failed to read the whole WND article, here is the riveting reality summed up by Brad Dacus @ the end:

"Brad Dacus, president of Pacific Justice Institute, said opponents of California's proposed ban on same-sex marriage, or Proposition 8, often say the measure would not have an effect on public schools – but this is one of many recent developments that prove otherwise.

"Do we need any further proof that gay activists will target children as early as possible?" he asked. "Opponents of traditional marriage keep telling us that Prop. 8 has nothing to do with education. In reality, they want to push the gay lifestyle on kindergartners, and we can only imagine how much worse it will be if Prop. 8 is defeated. This is not a scenario most Californians want replayed in their elementary schools."

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

Prop. 8 uses the SAME exact "14" words as Prop. 22 did in 2000, which already was & is still STATE LAW, unconstitutional "judicial review" in May by "4" elitist CA Supreme Court Justices notwithstanding!

Judicial Review, legislating from the bench, unconstitutionally usurping the will of over 4,000,000 (61%) of CA voters, is exactly what took place earlier this May when only "4" elitist judges decided to force their biased, religious views upon the rest of us in CA! How hypocritical of you as usual to spin it around!

"California Statutes Clearly Do Prohibit Same-Sex Marriage

To begin with, it is quite clear that California statutes currently prohibit same-sex marriage. One provision of the Family Law Code says that "marriage" is a "personal relation arising out of a civil contract between a man and a woman."

Another provision states that those capable of providing consent to marriage are an "unmarried male of the age of 18 years or older, and an unmarried female of the age of 18 years or older."

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, section 308.5 of the Family Law Code -- which was enacted by the voters themselves as an initiative (Proposition 22) in the 2000 election -- says that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

The Constitutional Provision that Requires Enforcement Until a Court Says Otherwise

Thus, the only imaginable defense for Mayor Newsom's actions is his belief that these statutes violate the California Constitution. And that, indeed, has been his defense - that the oath he swore to uphold the California Constitution when he took office permits (indeed, perhaps compels) him to disregard state statutes that conflict with the highest of California's laws.

The problem for Mayor Newsom is a specific provision of the California Constitution. Article III, section 3.5 of the California Constitution says that an "administrative agency has no power to refuse to enforce a statute, on the basis of its being unconstitutional unless an appellate court has made a determination that such statute is unconstitutional."

In other words, the California Constitution itself says that when an agency thinks that a statute violates the Constitution, the agency should continue to obey the statute until appellate courts have resolved the matter. Section 3.5 thus sets up an orderly process to prevent each agency from going its own way and disregarding the will of the legislature in the name of constitutional conscience."

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/amar/200403...

Thus, the real important questions remain, Why is Article III, section 3.5 of our CA Constitution NOT being upheld? Why are standing statutes codified in CA Family Law NOT being enforced?

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

No one needs to buy the lie that CA law or FEDERAL law regarding MARRIAGE has been, is, or should be devoid of any "religious" bias or imposition! What utter nonsense! CA statutes NOW ALL exclusively uphold traditional MARRIAGE!

CA & America either remains rooted & grounded in the same Judeo-Christian heritage our founding fathers revered most w/o denying others theirs or cowardly kowtow to "secular humanism," "atheism" or whatever "ism" same-sex marriage advocates advance their agenda with to redefine MARRIAGE, rewrite our CONSTITUTIONS, & revise our LAWS!

It's either ONE religious bias/basis or another! That of over 4,000,000 Californians or that of "1" chief justice or "1" S.F. Mayor, etc. refusing to abide by Article III, section 3.5 of our CA Constitution & standing state statutes codified w/in CA Family Law!

I am a CA Public H.S. HEALTH Educator, BTW, & have been since '98. My "expertise" & "experience" is sandwiched smack dab in the very middle of this Prop. 8 argument!

Is only the Judeo-Christian MARRIAGE ideal being taught in our CA public schools now. Really? Let's check the FACTS!

""Overt indoctrination"

San Francisco first graders get ‘field trip’ to same-sex wedding"

http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php...

"Unless we stand for something,we shall fall for anything." Peter Marshall

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

California Comprehensive
Sexual Health and HIV/AIDS Prevention Education Act.

51930

"(2) To encourage a pupil to develop healthy attitudes concerning adolescent growth and
development, body image, gender roles, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, dating, marriage, and family."

51931

"(a) "AGE APPROPRIATE" refers to topics, messages, and teaching methods suitable to particular ages or age groups of children and adolescents, based on developing cognitive,
emotional, and behavioral capacity typical for the age or age group."

51933 "(a) School districts may provide comprehensive sexual health education, consisting of AGE APPROPRIATE instruction, in any kindergarten to grade 12..."

"(1) Instruction and materials shall be AGE APPROPRIATE."

"(4) Instruction and materials shall be APPROPRIATE for use with pupils of all races, genders, SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS, ethnic and cultural backgrounds, and pupils with disabilities."

"(7) Instruction and materials shall teach respect for marriage and COMMITTED RELATIONSHIPS."

"(1) Instruction and materials may not teach or promote RELIGIOUS doctrine." (emphases mine)

How is a taxpayer-funded 1st grade field trip to a "gay wedding" construed as "age appropriate?"

What kind of "committed relationship" other than "marriage" is CA ED CODE Section 51933 (a) (7) above referring to?

If you thought ONLY JUDEO-CHRISTIAN or TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE was being taught now in CA schools, U R WRONG! SB 777 changed the code!

How can anyone aptly teach about DATING, MARRIAGE, & FAMILY as CA ED CODE NOW stipulates without being premised upon or being biased so as to "...teach or promote a RELIGIOUS doctrine" of some sort?

Ludicrous!

Don't tell me for a second Sen. Kuehl had NO religious bent/bias in crafting SB 777? LIES!

Playing God & violating the tacit trust as surrogate parents public school educators have been entrusted with does NOT justify such egregious encroachment upon our civil liberties as CA parents!

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

Prop. 8 says, "enough is enough" 2 "gay agenda!"

Thomasson: "H.R. 1592 isn't about stopping crime – it's a green light for government persecution of moral people in all 50 states."

"Adding transsexuality, bisexuality and homosexuality to 'hate crimes' laws is like opening Pandora's Box," warned Thomasson. "People of moral and religious values will suffer under the persecution that will result from this radical sexual agenda. California's experience proves it."

"In the 1990s, the California Legislature (with a majority of Democrats) passed several "hate crimes" laws that placed transsexuality, bisexuality and homosexuality into the state's Civil Code and Penal Code."

"In 1999, these "hate crimes" definitions were inserted into the Education Code, requiring all public schools in California to permit transsexual, bisexual, and homosexual teachers, in grades as young as kindergarten (AB 537)."

Sept., 2004 HATE CRIMES bill signed into law by "...California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger...expanding that state's statute to include not only homosexuals and transgendered people but also people who merely associate with those who are part of a protected class."

"This year, the Democrat-controlled California Legislature is proposing to use the sexual definitions from the "hate crimes" laws to force all school curriculum, instructional materials, school sports teams, guest speakers, sex education classes, and all school-sponsored activities to positively portray (not "adversely reflect upon") all aspects of transsexuality, bisexuality and homosexuality (SB 777)"

http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/41...

NO religious bias behind said changes in CA penal/ed code?

NO religious agenda behind "silencing all opposition;" namely: Christians with HATE CRIMES?

NO discrimination, but ONLY "equality" for all? Like SB 777?

The battle has been waged since the 90's in CA Courts & Congress by "homosexual activists" to not only gain access to our "innocent children" (see '99 AB 537 addendum to CA ED CODE above)via the CA Public Schools, but to "indoctrinate" impressionable, innocent, unsuspecting captive audiences in public, CA, tax-funded schools with the "anything goes" agenda of homosexual activists like Sen. Kuehl (see SB 777 addendum to CA ED CODE 1/08 above)!

TRUTH is, the "written record" of CA ED CODE changes, including this year's SB 777 addendum, reveal a decidedly deliberate, deviant, diabolical, & determined "homosexual agenda" that IS, just like in Massachusetts (few years ahead of CA in same-sex marriage legalities), bent on SILENCING all opposition like Christians, BRAINWASHING children as young as Kindergarten to buy into their lies, & PUNISHING (i.e. fining & incarcerating) educators like myself or any others who inadvertently "discriminate" against a perceived "sexual identity" or "sexual orientation" as a violation of a tyrannical HATE CRIMES law.

Say NO to GAY AGENDA !

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

First off. I do not believe in your god any more than I believe in the tooth fairy. You are free to believe anything you want, but The United States and California do not have any "official religion."

Therefore, every last one of your religion-based arguments (EVEN IF THEY TURN OUT TO BE CORRECT) carry no special weight or assumed correctness in the context of our federal or state laws. Since religious arguments primarily rely on faith rather than objective logic, they will generally be useless in this context.

ALSO, the California state marriage license is not a religious document. It is a legal document. A contract between two adults. It is no different legally speaking than the contracts signed when someone buys a house.

There is no legal basis for denying gay adults the right to enter into a legal contract with each other. Therefore there is no legal basis for denying gay adults the right to enter into a marriage contract with each other in the State of California.

SCV123, either you don't read what's posted by others of opposing views very well or you choose to ignore them. Either way, you've painted yourself into a loser's corner.

I just posted ONLY CA CODE (legal argument) to prove Prop. 8 has to be approved now by voters since politicians like SF Mayor Newsom are refusing to obey what the CA Constitution says, as did the "4" elitist justices in May.

None of those so-called same-sex marriages should have even been performed as the CA LAW is still the SAME. That's what
Article III, Section 3.5 of our CA Constitution again is all about, restraining "judicial activism/review" until an appellate court rules otherwise.

Since our elected & appointed CA Govt. officials are refusing to DEFEND our CA Constitution as they swore an oath to do when they took office, they are in effect reneging on their oath of office & unlawfully trying to AMEND our CA Constitution, which is the right reserved to the people, which is why Prop. 8 must be passed now.

If the "courts" & "congress" will NOT respect the laws as written, like section 308.5 of the Family Law Code, NOR uphold our CA Constitution, particularly Article III, Section 3.5 AFTER May's mischievous "judicial review" proceedings took place to deliberately deceive voters into believing a LIE (i.e. Same-sex Marriage is now legal, which it is not according to Article III, Section 3.5), it should come as NO surprise that We the People must exercise our constitutional prerogative to bind down such chicanery with another CA Constitutional Chain to prevent further mischief!

section 308.5 of the Family Law Code -- which was enacted by the voters themselves as an initiative (Proposition 22) in the 2000 election -- says that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

Article III, section 3.5 of the California Constitution says that an "administrative agency has no power to refuse to enforce a statute, on the basis of its being unconstitutional unless an appellate court has made a determination that such statute is unconstitutional."

In other words, the California Constitution itself says that when an agency thinks that a statute violates the Constitution, the agency should continue to obey the statute until appellate courts have resolved the matter. Section 3.5 thus sets up an orderly process to prevent each agency from going its own way and disregarding the will of the legislature in the name of constitutional conscience."

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/amar/200403......

Thus, the real important questions remain, Why is Article III, section 3.5 of our CA Constitution NOT being upheld? Why are standing statutes codified in CA Family Law NOT being enforced?

You've NO LEGAL LEG to stand on SCV123! Pride goes B4D fall!

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

"YES ON 8 CHALLENGES SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION JACK O’CONNELL TO LIVE DEBATE"

Let's see if CA Supt. Jack O'Connell accepts or declines!

Don't hold your breath!

http://www.protectmarriage.com/articl...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5qdOQ...

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

My LEGAL contention remains VALID as there are "6" CA Courts of Appeal or "appellate courts" while only "1" CA Supreme Court, & Article III, Section 3.5 was put in place to keep ALL branches of our CA Govt., including the Supreme Court, in check when such mischief as this May's "Judicial Review" takes place & we in fact have had NO appellate court in CA prove Prop. 22 or Family Law Code 308.5 to be UNconstitutional!

As far as teaching gay marriage in public schools being "ridiculous" goes, allow me to set the record straight as a tenured teacher for LAUSD with over a decade of experience w/in the CA Public H.S. Classroom teaching the very subject that involves SEX ED, HEALTH ED.

FACT: CA ED CODE (see 51930-51939) was recently CHANGED/CORRUPTED by lesbian CA. Sen. Kuehl's bogus bill known as SB 777 & passed into law by Gov. Schwarzenegger 1/1/08.

FACT: The 2nd purpose of this newly revised CA ED CODE for HEALTH does mandate both "sexual orientation" & "marriage" be taught as part of OCSD!

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displa...

FACT: SB 777, AB 394, & AB14 are "reverse discrimination" against traditional family values.

"...public schools...have now become sexualized indoctrination centers."

"...children as young as five years old will be mentally molested in school classrooms."

"...every California school becomes a homosexual-bisexual-transsexual indoctrination center"

"SB777...bans anything in public schools that could be interpreted as negative toward homosexuality, bisexuality and other alternative lifestyle choices."

"SB 777 will result in reverse discrimination against students with religious and traditional family values,"

"AB394 promotes the same issues through state-funded publications, postings, curricula and handouts to students, parents and teachers."

"AB14...prohibits state funding for any program that does not support a range of alternative sexual practices, including state-funded social services run by churches."

FACT: "California Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell...has used his state position and taxpayer-funded stationery to praise a "gay" pride event used in the past to expose children to sexually explicit activities."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...

Supt. O'Connell is also in "NO on Prop. 8 Ads" distorting the TRUTH about what is/isn't taught. The same ad that LIES about teachers like me. Our UTLA Pres., & other teachers like myself @ my school are ALL voting YES on Prop. 8!

FACT: CTA has spent, according to CA Assemblyman Cameron Smyth, over $2 MILLION (many from UNION DUES) to prop up NO on Prop. 8!

Our CHILDREN are being set up for ongoing "mental molestation" and "anything goes" indoctrination by unscrupulous lawmakers who care more about protecting their "Politically Correct Image" than they do our public school CHILDREN!

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

Sorry, but it is you who have no legal leg to stand on. You can hide behind your sham of an argument that the original vote to ban gay marriage shouldn't have been overturned in the way it was, but that is a loser's argument.

I realize that you are blinded by faith, hate, and bigotry, but others who read this might not be.

The fact remains that it *is* unconstitutional. Similar laws have been shot down by the US Supreme Court time and time again (i.e. ban on white and non-white marriage). Your argument, even if assumed true, only delays the inevitable end to the ban on gay marriage. When you understand why the ban on white/non-white marriage was overturned, you will understand why the ban on gay marriage was (and will ultimately be) overturned.

Once again, and please read this time... marriage is a *legal contract*. It's nothing more than a collection of stipulations written down and agreed to. It holds none of the emotional value that you are trying to give it. If you do not understand this, please do some research before voting. Marriage is legally no different than any other contract.

If one gay person signs a contract for another gay person to mow their lawn for $20 per week, that's no different. When you understand why gays aren't banned from signing *this* type of contract, you will understand why they also cannot be banned from signing a marriage contract.

Voting NO on 8 does not change the constitution or anything else. It would not require your children to turn gay or learn about gay marriage. It would simply leave everything the way it has been for years.

One thing you might ask yourself though is what are you afraid will happen if your children know that gay people can get married? Do you think your kids will turn gay? What if they already are gay? What other biblical sins do you think should potentially qualify your child for sub-human treatment under the law? We don't live in "The Christian Republic of America."

Prop 8 is even being denied by one of the most public Mormon figures in the Nation; Steve Young, because lets not forget who the major funders behind the yes on 8 campaign are. Even one of their own is at odds with this war of injustice.

That's gotta really piss some biblethumpers off.

see this comment
A transplanted California Mormon's perspective on Proposition 8 - Salt Lake Tribune

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_1087...

scv123,

U make 2 egregious errors saying, "Voting NO on 8 does not change the constitution or anything else." & "It would simply leave everything the way it has been for years."

The CONSTITUTION of CA's preamble states, "We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure and perpetuate its blessings, do establish this Constitution."

"Almighty God" or similar references to God in all other state constitution preambles were penned for an explicit purpose; namely: to give credit/thanks to the God for freedom.

That freedom came with a price: lives, land, & loved ones lost.

That price was minimized only by an acute & absolute dependence upon His providence.

This same "Almighty God" our own CA Constitution's preamble praises has revealed how he feels about "homosexuality" w/in His holy word, the bible. He also reserves marriage, which He also created, for ONLY ONE MAN & ONE WOMAN!

How then can we honor God's laws such as "thou shalt not steal" & "thou shalt not murder" by codifying them w/in each state to protect all law abiding citizens from THIEVES & MURDERERS & then suddenly decide to dispense with what the same God believes about "homosexuality" when He says it's an "abomination" to Him?

Schizophrenic, God is NOT, & I daresay CA need NOT be either.

If stealing & murdering are WRONG, & I hope U agree with me on that scv123, & all men have a God-given "conscience" to help them discern RIGHT from WRONG, & all states, including CA, have man-made laws that respect God's laws such as these 2, then please don't rant on & on about "levitical" laws that MAN instituted & NOT God in defense of No on Prop. 8 as that is nonsense & does NOT apply to ALL of us.

The 10 commandments were instituted by God for ALL of us.

ALL 50 states base their LAWS upon God's laws regarding ETHICS or "RIGHT" & "WRONG."

MARRIAGE was also GOD's idea/institution!

If you want to insist on it being a "civil" matter, than U know as well as I that "gays" already have all the same rights as everyone else in CA in respect to civil unions.

MARRIAGE is NOT a civil matter unless man makes it so.

MARRIAGE reflects God's nature & design, MALE & FEMALE.

We the people of CA do NOT need to settle for SIN being elevated to the sacred state of MARRIAGE.

Same-sex marriage is a LIE & requires REDEFINING MARRIAGE.

TRUTH is, it's SAME-SEX SIN!

We the people of CA do NOT need to redefine MARRIAGE so those who refuse to submit to God's laws can force the rest of us to "legitimize" or "legalize" what they know like we do is SIN; namely: "homosexuality" or same-sex unions.

Also, the preposterous notion that this has been this way for years is obviously a lie since only "4" justices ruled that way just this MAY!

Even the US Code & CA Family Law all state MARRIAGE is ONLY between a MAN & a WOMAN.

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

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